If so then Id seek out the best possible instructor you can find and buy some ear plugs for all others offering friendly advice. Maybe you can trust a pal who you play with a lot for some friendly little tips on what looks off , but you gotta be careful . You also need to get out of your head to operate at the highest level and that takes training too. Lots of it. The circus juggler is not thinking about the how? The guy wired in , writing code is not thinking how. But he is focused. There's a big difference. Your computer as Homer called it needs to be programed for successful output.
Take care of your mechanics and then move on to what really matters. Some guys never do this, never find the zone except by accident.
"Let the motion make the shot". "The Three Stations" . The computer. You dont/cant steer dandelions...Homers revelation. See Scott Gummers book for more on that. The plane line disappears, the ball disappears its just you , your pressure points, the Arc of Approach and the line of flight of the ball. etc etc . Stevie to Adam Scott...."9 iron fade 146". Adam " how bout 148?". "9 iron fade 146!". Without a Stevie you have to do it yourself. See the ENTIRE shot though the air and let the feel of the motion replicate it. Say it to yourself or to buddies. "I wanna little fade , 146 lightish lag pressure". If you start thinking about how to hold it off or something you've lost the moment. Somedays its easy, some days it aint.
You can take your typical 10 handicap golfer and while getting him to hit balls on the range, say to him at the top of his backswing "fade" or "draw" or "slice" etc and he can do it. Much to his surprise. He'll do with hand manipulation of course since he cant adjust his grip mid swing but he can do it. Easily. But the typical 10 cap by him self on the course tries to hit straight shots and misses wildly. Why? I believe a golfer should start shaping shots before they think they are ready to do so. Both ways. High and Low too. Like call shot in pool. Navigate the hole with a thought to your leave , like shape in pool. Plan two shots ahead or three and give yourself your desired leave for the kill shot. Pot the black.
In the end this is playing golf, the other stuff , thinking mechanics is practicing golf. You can do both on the course. Some guys never stop practicing no matter where they are, in tournaments even. In their own minds they're never quite ready to let go of it. The time to let go of it was yesterday. George Knudson, "you've got to give up control to gain control". Lag Pressure will be there , its like your best friend. Actually it likes it when you let go, sorta perks up a bit, like an old dog sensing he's about to go for a walk.
In short Id say hammer your mechanics but with a thought to getting past them and PLAYING the game. This is where the highest level of execution is for all of us as we approach our full potential.
PS How bout this one. " A fudge thats it, I quit, gonna walk in, frig it. But first Ill just take one more swing at this freaking thing. What the? Thats my best shot today Sammy!" What changed for this guy? Whats the lesson? Its a hackers thing but it applies to all of us, from Tiger on down. Bobby Jones wrote about this phenomena. How to use it.
OB, your fourth on the all-time number of posts list. Is there really anything to do in Canada? I would hope the answer would be NO, otherwise we'd need to delve into psychological issues.
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Nice action! What kind of misses do you hit? Fat? Thin? Pushes? Pulls? Hooks? Slices?
Originally Posted by whip
All of the above Unfortunately
Upon viewing the video of your swings, without the need for slo-mo, I noticed that you don't use Hinging. Perhaps your instructor can demonstrate the difference.
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BASIC PLANES AND HINGING
Some players even intentionally execute Impact as exclusively a Swivel, making Clubface alignments extremely fleeting and erratic. Study 3-F-7-B and 7-20.
Upon viewing the video of your swings, without the need for slo-mo, I noticed that you don't use Hinging. Perhaps your instructor can demonstrate the difference.
For the most part the ball goes at the target I used to hit a draw Now do not have much curve either way, I miss shots but I don't really have a particularly common miss right now, could you please explain why you don't see a hinge. In these swings I was attemptig to execute a manipulated hands swing but may have come out more as a swivel from the hands rather than a hinge from the shoulder and pivot, I still have many things to work on in zones 1 2 and 3
OB, your fourth on the all-time number of posts list. Is there really anything to do in Canada? I would hope the answer would be NO, otherwise we'd need to delve into psychological issues.
Hah! I still get a laugh outa that one, I dont care what D says.
Cant believe you have time to post when you're in Hillcrest on a friday night! Its rude to post when your mouth is full dude.
Mikey , I know that you know that I know what procedure gives one an arc of approach to the arc of approach. But it might be that we're both totally nuts too. Ever thought about that one? Then there's D who is nuts, no doubt about it. Uh ive met the man. Making at least three of us. Well Homer was kinda weird too......T squared.....Bennie D.......uh oh. We're trending here.
For the most part the ball goes at the target I used to hit a draw Now do not have much curve either way, I miss shots but I don't really have a particularly common miss right now, could you please explain why you don't see a hinge. In these swings I was attemptig to execute a manipulated hands swing but may have come out more as a swivel from the hands rather than a hinge from the shoulder and pivot, I still have many things to work on in zones 1 2 and 3
I see that you're 1/2 set up for Hands Manipulated Swinging. You are playing the Ball a few inches back up-plane from Low Point, that's 1/2, but you haven't adjusted enough Hook Face for a HMS, that would be the other 1/2. So, if you were "Hinging", you'd be hitting the Ball out to Right Field. But, I don't need to see where the Ball goes to come to this conclusion. I can see that your Clubhead and Hands don't have the same RPM. The difference between Swiveling and Hinging is that with Hinging, the Clubhead and Hands travel at the same RPM.
I can see that your right Forearm enters Release on the correct Angle of Approach. Good stuff, really. But....Your Brain knows that the Ball will go to Right Field unless you Spin your Hands. That's where/When and Why you're losing the RPM. If you were to extend the Club in your Left Hand as far as your Left Elbow, you would see that the Shaft is Rotating independent of the Left Arm Flying Wedge.
Solution: Keep the Ball Location at 3" behind Low Point but add about 5-10-15? degrees (experiment) of Hook Face, then don't spin the Hands.
Just for every one else, so we all understand this the same way, HK differentiated between "True Swinging" and "Hands Manipulated Swinging". "True Swingers" are Limited to Locating/Playing the Ball so that Separation occurs at Low Point. "Hands Manipulated" Swingers can Play the Ball from Any Location aft and up the Orbit from Low Point because they will adjust "Hook Face" to Square the Clubface for Separation (CF won't help). Both use the Right Forearm Angle of Approach Procedure and if a "Hands Manipulated Swinger" Plays the Ball so that Separation occurs at Low Point, then he is no longer manipulating Clubface Alignments. He is "True Swinging".
Hah! I still get a laugh outa that one, I dont care what D says.
Cant believe you have time to post when you're in Hillcrest on a friday night! Its rude to post when your mouth is full dude.
Mikey , I know that you know that I know what procedure gives one an arc of approach to the arc of approach. But it might be that we're both totally nuts too. Ever thought about that one? Then there's D who is nuts, no doubt about it. Uh ive met the man. Making at least three of us. Well Homer was kinda weird too......T squared.....Bennie D.......uh oh. We're trending here.
I just want you to know that some day, when I'm famous for my "Homer Kelley Concepts Video's", that your name is mentioned in the Credits. "Mike O" is not.
I see that you're 1/2 set up for Hands Manipulated Swinging. You are playing the Ball a few inches back up-plane from Low Point, that's 1/2, but you haven't adjusted enough Hook Face for a HMS, that would be the other 1/2. So, if you were "Hinging", you'd be hitting the Ball out to Right Field. But, I don't need to see where the Ball goes to come to this conclusion. I can see that your Clubhead and Hands don't have the same RPM. The difference between Swiveling and Hinging is that with Hinging, the Clubhead and Hands travel at the same RPM.
I can see that your right Forearm enters Release on the correct Angle of Approach. Good stuff, really. But....Your Brain knows that the Ball will go to Right Field unless you Spin your Hands. That's where/When and Why you're losing the RPM. If you were to extend the Club in your Left Hand as far as your Left Elbow, you would see that the Shaft is Rotating independent of the Left Arm Flying Wedge.
Solution: Keep the Ball Location at 3" behind Low Point but add about 5-10-15? degrees (experiment) of Hook Face, then don't spin the Hands.
Just for every one else, so we all understand this the same way, HK differentiated between "True Swinging" and "Hands Manipulated Swinging". "True Swingers" are Limited to Locating/Playing the Ball so that Separation occurs at Low Point. "Hands Manipulated" Swingers can Play the Ball from Any Location aft and up the Orbit from Low Point because they will adjust "Hook Face" to Square the Clubface for Separation (CF won't help). Both use the Right Forearm Angle of Approach Procedure and if a "Hands Manipulated Swinger" Plays the Ball so that Separation occurs at Low Point, then he is no longer manipulating Clubface Alignments. He is "True Swinging".
Hang on......
A true swinger does not locate the ball so separation occurs at low point. centrifugal force pulls objects in line and on plane with their center of gravity wether or not they were originally in line or on plane. set the golf club on the table and you will see the toe hang, this is the condition that cf seeks at low point. A true swinger locates the ball to accomodate this. Separation does not occur at low point for a true swinger. the player cannot adjust the amount of hook face built in, closing the club face is not adjusting the hook face. A true swinger locates the ball to accommodate the centrifugal force that is acting upon him or her so that the ball separates the club face at right angles to the target line. At low point the club has reached it's in line condition which is closed to the plane line (remember the toe hang, hook face), at separation the club is on it's way to becoming in line hence the naturally produced horizontal hinging and occurs prior to low point if you are relying on cf to square the club face which a true swinger is. Manipulated hands swinger can put the ball wherever because he is controlling the hand motion and therefore controlling the club face motion and can position the club face accordingly to the target line regardless of ball location, he is manually moving the club face via the flat left wrist and is not subject to centrifugal force sending the club head toward it's in line condition. The manipulated hands swinger does not close the club face at address to offset the fact the cf is not helping to close the face, he simply manually executes the horizontal hinge and therefore would still have a slightly open face to allow for the manual closing. He can also manually angled hinge and vertical hinge with corresponding impact alignment adjustments.
The difference between swiveling and hinging is that hinging is during the impact interval and swiveling is a true rotation of the hands by #3 acc. per standard wrist action into its vertical condition to execute its indtended hinge action, and for snap rolling the hands on plane for the finish.
The true angular speed( rpm) of the club head is identical to that of the hands due to the mandatory flat left wrist, I don't believe I am bending the left wrist therefore they are moving at the same Rpms
A true swinger does not locate the ball so separation occurs at low point. centrifugal force pulls objects in line and on plane with their center of gravity wether or not they were originally in line or on plane. set the golf club on the table and you will see the toe hang, this is the condition that cf seeks at low point. A true swinger locates the ball to accomodate this. Separation does not occur at low point for a true swinger. the player cannot adjust the amount of hook face built in, closing the club face is not adjusting the hook face. A true swinger locates the ball to accommodate the centrifugal force that is acting upon him or her so that the ball separates the club face at right angles to the target line. At low point the club has reached it's in line condition which is closed to the plane line (remember the toe hang, hook face), at separation the club is on it's way to becoming in line hence the naturally produced horizontal hinging and occurs prior to low point if you are relying on cf to square the club face. I might have screwed this up but Im tired.
The difference between swiveling and hinging is that hinging is during the impact interval and swiveling is a true rotation of the hands by #3 acc. Into impact and for snap rolling the hands on plane post separation for the follow through and finish.
OMG, who's teaching you this stuff? Ask him to call me.
However, you are looking in the right place..
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2-G HINGE MOTION......
Thus, though some procedures may cause the Clubface to “Close” in relation to the Plane Line, none will be an actual “Roll” of the Hands. See 2-C and 6-B-3-0. There is, however, the “Release Roll” (Swivel) which is a true rotation of the Hands into Impact alignments by Accumulator #3 with (10-18-A only).
In the first sentence, HK say's "none will be an actual “Roll” of the Hands". He means: No-Flash-the-Hands, No-Spinning.
In the Second sentence, HK say's "true rotation of the Hands into Impact alignments by Accumulator #3". He means that the Hands will Roll as a Result of the #3 Accumulator Traveling around the "Pulley".
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Anytime you have two sticks Angled together "|_", you have "Hook Face". A Hockey stick has Hook Face, a Baseball Bat does not. A Golf Club has Hook Face and it's easily "Manipulated".
Hinge Action starts at the "Pulley", not the Impact Interval. The geometry-Alignments of the Power Package for Hinging need to be accommodated before the Hands reach the Pulley.
The "Mandatory Flat Left Wrist" is only one condition necessary to control the RPM of the Primary Lever. If you Roll the Left Hand, then the RPM of the Clubhead becomes greater than the Left Wrist.
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