Chapters2-G and 7-10 refer to the geometry of Hinging and the basic Hinge Motionvariations. Hinging is an important Stroke Component because, per 1-L#4, it controls the Clubface alignment through the Impact Interval.
However, Hinging is one thing and Swiveling isquite another. The Swivel is a separate motion that allows the orbitingSweetspot to remain On-Plane (and overtake and eventually pass the Hands) as itmoves from the Release into the Impact Interval and from the Follow-Throughinto the Finish. Between those two swivels resides the Hinge Action.
Per 2-G, "There is, however, the 'Release Roll'(Swivel) which is a true rotation of the Hands into Impact alignment byAccumulator #3 (with 10-18-A only). After the selected Hinge Action has beenexecuted, the Swivel is again useful for Snap Rolling the Hands into theirOn Plane Condition for the Finish. [Italics mine.]
The bottom line is that Hinge Action is Hinge Action, andit is an immensely important concept in the precision system that is G.O.L.F.However, per the above, the Swivel has and deserves its own identity. Somuch so, in fact, that Homer himself told me that "Rarely do I see agolfer with enough swivel. They just won't do it!"
Phillygolf wrote:
Yoda wrote:
So much so, in fact, that Homer himself told me that "Rarely do I see a golfer with enough swivel. They just won't do it!"
I hope the next question would be "Gee Homer, why do you think that is?"
So....did you discuss with Homer why?
Like to hear your opinion on this.
Thanks.
-Patrick
Let's limit this post to the Swivel that all golfers -- Hitters and Swingers--must have. Per 4-D-O, only Swingers employing Standard Wrist Action (10-18-A)Swivel from Release into Impact. However, "...all players must 'Swivel' --actually rotate their Wrists -- into the 'parallel to the Plane' position forthe Finish (8-12) after the Follow-Through. So, let's deal with that.
Why don't players Swivel enough? Three reasons: The first is simply ignorance: Theydon't know what to do. It "seems as if" that in order to hitthe ball straight, they should hold the Clubhead and the Clubface"square" to the Target Line. However, this is actually Steering, thefirst of the Four Snares (3-F-7-A). Per the Preface of the book, "Physicstakes the 'seems as if' out of things. Including golf."
The second reason is that even though they know it is the right thing to do, theydon't know how to do it. Further, they don't know how to do it enough!Most golfers cannot believe the degree of Swivel present in a top player'sStroke as he Swivels out of the Follow-Through and into the Finish. They haveto be shown -- hands on -- and even then it is hard for them to do it in anactual Stroke. And that's because their prior Steering pattern is so heavilyengrained. The Club, of course, must pass the Hands in order to complywith the Law of the Flail (2-K) and if the Left Wrist and Forearm fail toSwivel properly, the Left Wrist will bend, the Left Arm will probablychicken-wing, and the precision that is G.O.L.F. will simply evaporate.
The third reason is fear. They know what to do, they can do it indrill and with a practice Stroke, but in real-time, they're just afraidto do it. I understand that feeling. When I was nine years old, Iwanted to do a full front flip off the side of the swimming pool (no way I wasgoing to try it off the diving board!). Time after time, I made the attempt,but I could only manage a "watermelon." I would dive off the side,begin my spin, tuck my knees and wrap my arms around them and safely spinpart of the way around. I would enter the water head first and spinning,and my rear end would follow and make a big splash.
But what I didn't do was go all the way over. That was way to scary!After awhile, as I stood on the side of the pool preparing each attempt, Ibegan to know before the attempt that I wasn't going "all the way."And so I would do one more watermelon. Finally, I got mad, summoned all thecourage I could and said "This time -- no matter what happens -- I'mgoing to turn all the way over in the air and land on my butt." Andthat is exactly what I did.
It took guts. But then, so does Swiveling!
brianmanzella wrote:
Yoda and others...
The swivel that swivels the club back on plane past the follow through UNSWIVELS to the finish...
Brian is right. It's like that old Texas tombstone in Boot Hill:
First I wasn't. Then I was. Now I ain't again!
Delaware Golf wrote:
Wow, This is interesting....in the fall we had an interesting discussion about the use of pressure point 4 thrust per 2-M-3 with swinging, which should read pressure point 1 (Yoda your comments on that one would be interesting, page 37 pressure point 4 thrust with swinging or should it read pressure point #1 per 10-19-C).
Yoda, you'd the man! Thanks, your comments are much appreciated!!!
Delaware Golf
Thanks, D.G.,
The text on page 37 is incorrect and should read "In which case--to PivotThrust add a strong Pressure Point #1 thrust per 10-19-C." Here's why:
Any application of Accumulator #1 (the Muscle Power of the Bent Right Arm)utilizes the straight-line Right Arm Thrust against its assigned Pressure Point#1 (the heel of the Right Hand). Similarly, any application of Accumulator #4(the Centrifugal Power of the angle formed between Left Arm and the LeftShoulder) utilizes the Right Shoulder Turn Thrust against its assigned PressurePoint #4 (where the Left Arm contacts the side).
When both Power Accumulators #1 and #4 are employed -- as in the highlyinadvisable Four Barrel Stroke (10-4-D) -- then both of their assignedPressure Points must also be employed. As presently written, the #1 PressurePoint has been excluded, and the reader is forced to conclude that both MusclePower and Centrifugal Power are being driven through the same single (#4)Pressure Point, and that simply is not possible.
It is not possible because Muscle Power (Hitting) requires, by definition, aPush (of the Right Arm against the heel of the Hand). And CentrifugalPower (Swinging) requires, by definition, a Pull (of the Left Armthrough its contact point with the Left Side). Since those Actions are mutuallyexclusive, two Pressure Points, not one, are required. Hence, theerror. No doubt an error of carelessness rather than intent, but an errornonetheless.
I might add that it is possible to Swing with the Right Arm (the RightArm Swing per 7-19). However, in this application, the normal drive-outAcceleration (Pushing) of the #1 Power Accumulator is zeroed out and the Clubis driven instead by longitudinal acceleration (Pulling) using the Right Arm insteadof the Left. [Kind of a 'boys' night out." ]This is accomplished by transferring the normal Center of the Clubhead orbitfrom the Left Shoulder to the Right Elbow (per 10-3-K).
It is easy to identify Players who habitually use the Right Arm Swing. Theyhave large elastic supports encasing their right elbows and can normally befound in the 19th Hole waiting for their buddies to return from the links.
Delaware Golf wrote:
Wow, Yoda, you'd the man! Thanks, your comments are much appreciated!!!
Yoda, Can swivel action be understood at impact fix by rolling the hands to the left and getting the feel of a true swivel into impact (what Hogan mentioned in the 5 Lessons as turning a 7 iron into a 5 iron, swiveling should have a closing effect on the clubface). Then recreating that feeling while executing the proper body thrusting action for swinging. The swivel action for the 3 barrel swinger should be a natural action? Yes/No. It's with the 4 Barrel Swinging stroke pattern that the Swinger must be critically aware of the natural swivel action and utilize it when thrusting with the right forearm... or what should be horizontal hinge action could easily turn into Angled action if not executed properly.
It's great to see a ton of posts on the Golfing Machine website again!!!
Delaware Golf
Thanks for your encouragement regarding the posts, D.G.. No time tonight toraise the above starship, but soon....
...as they say in Cal-i-forn-i-a...I'll be back!
tgmgolfer2k2 wrote:
In the Homer quote, is he talking about the swivel from release point -> impact or from followthrough -> on plane? Or both?
Homer was referring to the Swivel that all golfers -- Hitters andSwingers alike -- must execute: The Swivel out of the Follow-Through into theFinish.
Only Swingers executing the Standard Left Wrist Action (10-18-A) Swivel fromRelease into Impact. Others substitute the Hinge Action. Here the rotation intoimpact is imparted by the Turning Body and the Orbiting Arms and not by anyactual rotation of the Arms and Hands themselves.
Yoda wrote:
brianmanzella wrote:
Yoda and others...
The swivel that swivels the club back on plane past the follow through UNSWIVELS to the finish...
Brian is right. It's like that old Texas tombstone in Boot Hill:
First I wasn't. Then I was. Now I ain't again!
And one more thought on this...
According to Ben Hogan (as quoted in Golf Magazine, January 1975)"the best I ever saw from tee-to-green was Bill Mehlhorn." Bill, a.k.a. "Wild Bill," competed in ten of the early years of thePGA tour (from 1920-1930) and he was the leading money winner for three ofthose ten years. His record would have been far greater except for his patheticputting -- I know we all say this -- but in his case, it was absolutely true. Imean, 14-18 greens each round (not to mention par 5s in 2) and 35-40 putts isnot good. It eventually drove him off the tour.
Time and space does not permit the many great stories surrounding this colorfulcharacter, but he lived to the ripe old age of 91 (April 1989), and the lastchapter of his life was spent as part of the golf coaching staff at Miami International University. If you can locate the now out-of-print book Golf SecretsExposed, by Bill Mehlhorn with Bobby Shave (his assistant), buy it. Now.[The last address I have is M & S Publishing, PO Box 651126,Miami Fl 33265-1126. But that was before 1992, when Hurricane Andrew leveled Homestead. Florida (where Bobby, the publisher, lived). So now, who knows? Maybe it's onthe Amazon Used site.]
Anyway, at the back of that book are twelve pages of the old homemade graph-checkphotos of Wild Bill, along with a few drills and simple instructions. In myopinion, they are among the best in the game, and entirely consistent with TheGolfing Machine. No big deal, mind you, just the best.
Oh, here's my point: In working with his college kids on the Finish, Wild Billwanted them to "stick your right thumb in your left ear." Now, youand I know that this instruction was position golf defined, butbasically it was sound. At the end of a full Finish, the Flying Wedges havebeen fully reassembled (Left Wrist Flat, Right Wrist Bent, and Right Forearm"T-ing" into the plane of the Left Arm Flying Wedge per 6-B-3-0-1).If you do that, then as your Hands approach your Head, guess where the RightThumb wants to go?
If you guessed your Left Ear, you're right.
[Sorry Homer]
golfingrandy wrote:
Yoda wrote:
Delaware Golf wrote:
Wow, This is interesting....in the fall we had an interesting discussion about the use of pressure point 4 thrust per 2-M-3 with swinging, which should read pressure point 1 (Yoda your comments on that one would be interesting, page 37 pressure point 4 thrust with swinging or should it read pressure point #1 per 10-19-C).
Delaware Golf
The text is correct. Hitting or Swinging, the Right Shoulder Turn thrust is against Pressure Point #4 (where the Left Arm contacts the side) thereby producing the "blast off" of its kissin' cousin, the #4 Master Accumulator, the angle formed between Left Arm and the Left Shoulder.
One thing for sure, yes, we have been down this road.
2-M-3, 6th Edition. In which case-to Pivot Thrust add a strong Pressure Point #4 thrust per 10-19-C.
2-M-3, 7th Edition. In which case-to Pivot Thrust add a strong Pressure Point #1 thrust per 10-19-C.
The above change will be made in the 7th Edition. This has been confirmed so, do with it what you may.
Continue please!
slink, slink, slink.
Well, you guys may have been down that road, but I certainly hadn't! Yoda was still in his swamp not knowing that it was soonto be filled with all these starships!
As a result, I correctly answered the wrong (misinterpreted) question!Thanks to golfingrandy for bringing clarity to the situation. I haveedited my original post (to address Homer's unintentional error thatprecipitated D.G.'s question). It is an important post and should clear any fogthat remains on this issue.
Now, in my defense -- and please take no offense, D.G.; we're now cyberbuddies!-- the post to which I responded was somewhat disjointed (judge for yourself atthe top of this thread). Also, the hour was late, and, quite frankly, from thepost, it was hard for me to see what the question was. However,I knew I was being asked to comment on something, and that something appearedto be in the following sentence:
"in the fall we had an interesting discussion about the use of pressurepoint 4 thrust per 2-M-3 with swinging, which should read pressure point1."
Now, if you don't look at 2-M-3 (which I did not) and if you take the barebones of that quote, you get this:
"the use of pressure point 4 thrust with swinging should readpressure point 1." [Italics mine.]
And that statement is absolutely incorrect! Swinging always uses the#4 Pressure Point to drive the #4 Accumulator. Never #1! So, without goingany further -- it was way past my bedtime, for goodness sake! -- I concludedthat since any reference to pressure point 4 thrust with Swinging wouldbe correct, the text must be correct. My failure to check thephysical text -- for a physical error Homer made (as opposed to a conceptualerror) -- has resulted in Yoda's green face turning slight pink.
I will now return to the swamp and contemplate this miscalculation in theG.O.L. Force.
Delaware Golf wrote:
Yoda,
So, its a strong pressure point 4 thrust for swingers who are not using power package thrust or better said right arm thrust!!! Homer says "add" a strong pressure point 4 thrust per 10-19-C,....so is the thrusting action coming directly from pressure point 4 via the golfer or is the added thrust coming from the right shoulder as describe in the Larry Nelson story. I feel a migrain headache coming on, to much thinking (yikes). I would definitley like to put page 37 to rest and move forward, I think all involved would agree!
Delaware Golf
Remember that the Right Shoulder, being part of the Triangle Assembly (6-A-1),is also part of the Power Package. And, by definition, it is also part of thePivot. For the Swinger, the Right Shoulder Turn thrust is actively driving the#4 Accumulator. As part of the Pivot, it is actively transmitting the PivotMotion to the Arms, and in so doing is the "gear train" extending theSwing Radius of the Primary Lever Assembly from the Shoulder to the Feet. Per6-C-0, "Pivot Lag is Body Power for Swingers."
Regarding your migraine, Dr. Yoda suggests you take the above response, add itto the edited response to your initial question, and call me in the morning.
Right now, I'm headed back to the swamp.
Delaware Golf wrote:
Quote:
When both Power Accumulators #1 and #4 are employed -- as in the highly inadvisable Four Barrel Stroke (10-4-D) -- then both of their assigned Pressure Points must also be employed. As presently written, the #1 Pressure Point has been excluded, and the reader is forced to conclude that both Muscle Power and Centrifugal Power are being driven through the same single (#4) Pressure Point, and that simply is not possible.
Yoda,
Why do you say the Four Barrel is a "highly inadvisable" stroke when Homer says "But it can make the difference in top competition". and on page 37 Homer says "Only with the Driver must you use both Pivot Thrust and Power Package Thrust for lack of a longer club". In an early edition of the Golfing Machine Homer published a 4 Barrel Pattern......I hope were not catering to the inexperienced beginner at the expense of the skill seeking amatuer or upcoming professional. A book such as the Golfing Machine should not be presented in a watered down fashion. I received a photo copy of the four barrel pattern from a highly respected Golfing Machine G.S.E.D.. I would suspect that anyone who is driving the ball in the 300 yard range or more is using 10-4-D, Pivot Thrust and Power Package Thrust. I also studied the golf swing with Tom Tomasello who taught the right arm swing and he didn't have braces around his elbow. I would suspect that anyone who has trouble with their right elbow has attempted to use floating with the right arm swing using the 10-3-B pitch basic right arm motion, Tomasello didn't teach the right arm swing with float loading. I believe the proper way to incorporate floating with hitting is with the 10-3-A punch right arm motion. Float Loading with the Pitch right arm motion will put to much pressure on the elbow joint, I can understand why golfers would injury themselves. I've used the right arm swing for 10 years without problems.
Delaware Golf
Thank you for your reply to my post, Delaware Golf. I have reprinted yourwell-written comments below in normal type. My comments follow in bold type.Let us begin...
Why do you say the Four Barrel is a "highly inadvisable" stroke whenHomer says "But it can make the difference in top competition".
Because that is what he told me personally and our five-student GSEM classcollectively. I might add that Mike Holder, still the golf coach at OkalahomaState University and whose teams have many times won the NCAA Championship, wasin that same class. If that is not 'top competition,' I don't know what is.Homer's personal feeling was that the disadvantages of the Four Barrel Strokefar outweighed its advantages -- at any level.
*************** ...and on page 37 Homer says "Only with the Driver must you use both PivotThrust and Power Package Thrust for lack of a longer club".
Well, if you insist on doing it, that is how it is done. That does notmean it is advisable.
*************** In an early edition of the Golfing Machine Homer published a 4 BarrelPattern......
Are you sure? To date, there have been six editions of The Golfing Machine.If what you say is true, and it certainly may be, then the Pattern would had tohave been published in the Third Editon. I know that because I own the otherfive, and here is what they say:
Edition 1. Sample Pattern / Full Stroke --Triple Barrel
Edition 2. Sample Pattern/ Full Stroke -- Triple Barrel
Edition 7, a work in progress at the time of Homer's death, is now on thedrawing boards. My guess it is more of the same.
It is interesting to note that in his early editions, Homer published oneFull Stroke Pattern accompanied by Short Stroke and Putting Pattern. He labeledeach a "Sample Pattern." It is these patterns that someteachers have incorrectly taken to be gospel. In his later editions, he publishedtwo "Basic Patterns," one for Hitting and one forSwinging. There were no separate Patterns for Short Strokes or Putting. Hisconviction was that there was no need to change one's Basic Pattern fordifferent shots. Instead, one needed only to change the Component Variationscomprising that Basic Pattern.
Regarding his earlier Sample Patterns, he told me personally -- and somewhathuffily -- "Those were just what I said they were: Samples. I wasn'trecommending anything!" Whether he was or he wasn't is between him and hisMaker, and at this point that issue has long been decided. But I can tell youthis: There is no way that Homer Kelley believed at the time of his death (oreven as early as the 4th edition in 1979) that the Sample Patterns of Editions1 and 2 were ideal.
For example, Component #6 (Plane Angle/Basic) and Component #7 (PlaneAnge/Variation) of Editions 1 and 2 are listed as the Elbow Plane and theDouble Shift respectively. From Edition 4 on, for both Hitting and SwingingBasic Patterns, these same components were listed as the Turned Shoulder Planeand the Zero Variation. In other words, the Sample Patterns of the first twoeditions included a beginning Elbow Plane, a shift off that Plane to the TurnedShoulder Plane, followed by a shift back to the Elbow Plane in the Downstroke.The Basic Patterns of the later editions involved solely the Turned ShoulderPlane on both the BackStroke and Downstroke and with Zero Shifts.
Personally, I think Homer came to believe that the Clubshaft Plane paled incomparison to the Sweetspot Plane. And while the Clubshaft must start itsjourney on its original angle of inclination, the Sweetspot Plane has no suchlimitation. Despite the Adjusted Address Position of the Clubshaft, theSweetspot can (and ideally should) be Started-Up immediately on the TurnedShoulder Plane. The Player accomplishes this through the Magic of the RightForearm executing the Three Dimensional Backstroke (per 2-F, 2-N, and 7-3).Obviously this is a revolutionary concept.
As an example, I taught a school at Sawgrass in 1984, and Gary Wiren, then thePGA Director of Instruction, flew in and attended. I've got photos of him inhis blue blazer with the PGA patch using our big-faced, yellow toy club tolearn the Three Hinge Actions. During our discussion of the Inclined Plane --and at the break! -- he contended that there must be a shift of thePlane in the Downstroke, down and to the inside-out per Ben Hogan's book FiveLessons.
I patiently explained and illustrated -- more than once -- Homer's correctteaching that the Plane absolutely does not shift to the inside out!Instead, I showed him how the Clubhead simply contines to travel down the faceof the same Plane until it reaches its Low Point. And until thathappens, the Clubhead will automatically be moving Outward (as well, ofcourse, as Downward and Forward per the Three Dimensional Downstroke of 2-D-0).
I'm not sure he ever got it -- at least on that day -- but I do know he leftshaking his head and with his Incubator on a full Code Red Alert. Obviously,there had been a wrench of the concepts, which is apparently what is happeningin your case. But no matter. Facts are facts, and that is all there is to it.
*************** I hope you were not catering to the inexperienced beginner at the expense ofthe skill seeking amatuer or upcoming professional. A book such as the GolfingMachine should not be presented in a watered down fashion.
Please. After more than 40 substantive posts in just seven days, you shouldknow me better than that. If not, refer to my answer above about Homer'srecommendation to Mike Holder in our class. Specifically: Don't teach your("top") college players a Four Barrel Stroke. Its disadvantages faroutweigh its advantages.
*************** I received a photo copy of the four barrel pattern from a highly respectedGolfing Machine G.S.E.D..
It's good to share, and I'm happy he did. And out of curiosity, I'd like tosee it. But so what? Homer would be the last to say you shouldn't have a FourBarrel Pattern if that's what you really wanted. In fact, I can hear himnow, "If you want to do it, fly at it!" That's why he put blankStroke Patterns in all his editions, so that Players could make up their ownPatterns.
The bottom line for me on this issue is that it really doesn't matterbecause I know what the man himself actually believed and taught (at least inhis later years). Not to mention the fact that I actually understand theproblem, which you will find out three paragraphs from now. You might want tosend a copy of this thread to the GSED who sent you the Four Barrel Pattern.Like Gary Wiren, he might learn something. He might not like it. But he mightlearn something.
In G.O.L.F. and in life we tend to kill the messenger when presented withunpleasant news. But that doesn't change the way things actually are. No matterhow we perceive them to be or how we want them to be, they willremain just as they actually are. As Homer often said, "Sciencetakes the 'seems as if' out of things."
*************** I would suspect that anyone who is driving the ball in the 300 yard range ormore is using 10-4-D, Pivot Thrust and Power Package Thrust.
You are mistaken. And now we're at the essence of the question. First ofall, for the record, the Hitter using Pivot Thrust to supply the initialacceleration of his loaded Power Package (per 2-M-4) is not the samething as a Four Barrel Stroke. And for the Swinger, Right Arm Muscle Power canadd precious little to the tremendous Centrifugal Power his Three BarrelG.O.L.F. technique will generate. Further, his attempt to achieve that preciouslittle extra by activating his Passive Right Arm (beyond the slight tricepsactivity necessary to maintain the Extensor Action) comes wrapped with a hugedownside. The Hitter faces a similar problem when he attempts to addCentrifugal Pull to his normal Muscular Thrust. Here's the key: For bothHitters and Swingers, the two Actions -- one a PUSH and the other a PULL -- aresimply incompatible.
*************** I also studied the golf swing with Tom Tomasello who taught the right arm swingand he didn't have braces around his elbow.
First of all, the Right Arm Swing "braces" reference at the end ofmy original post was an attempt to close with humor. So, maybe we should alllighten up a bit and take some things as they are intended. Nevetheless, whatI've said is true, and I've seen plenty of guys on the course, on the range,and in the grill to prove it. Like dogs that chase cars and tour players whothree-putt, Right Arm Swingers -- I didn't say Hitters! -- don't last.
But since you've addressed the issue...Are we talking short shots per 7-19and 10-3-K? Or are we talking Full Pivot Strokes with Maximum Lag Pressure? Teachingeither Motion will not result in an elbow brace, so Tommy was safe. However,actually Playing and Practicing that way, particularly as the Basic PatternVariation on your full shots, day after day over a long period, almostcertainly will. The Right Elbow simply is not built to take that kind of punishment.It's the same reason baseball pitchers throw their arm out despite theheavy-duty TLC they give the arm until they do.
*************** I would suspect that anyone who has trouble with their right elbow hasattempted to use floating with the right arm swing using the 10-3-Bpitch basic right arm motion. Float Loading with the Pitch right arm motionwill put to much pressure on the elbow joint, I can understand why golferswould injure themselves. [Italics are Yoda's]
We've agreed at last. That's definitely one way to get it done. However, nowI know where your problem is. Keep reading.
*************** Tomasello didn't teach the right arm swing with float loading.
Okay...?
*************** I believe the proper way to incorporate floating with hitting is with the10-3-A punch right arm motion.
We agree again! But, pray tell, what does all this have to do with RightArm Swing? The "10-3-A punch right arm motion" is notRight Arm Swing. It is is one of the three Major Basic Strokes!
*************** I've used the right arm swing for 10 years without problems.
With all due respect, I don't think so. Right Arm Swing, bydefinition locates the Swing Center in the Right Elbow per 10-3-K and isexecuted with loosened Wrists per 7-19. Otherwise, per 1-F, "the Left Armis ALWAYS SWINGING and the Right Forearm is ALWAYS DRIVING," i.e., theRight Arm is not Swinging. In 1-F of the First and Second Editions,Homer was even more emphatic: "But the Right Arm is never 'swung.' Itis always and unfailing 'driven' -- actively or passively -- toward the AimingPoint or to Impact Hand position."
So, here's your problem: What you are calling Right Arm Swing is inreality simply the correct use of the Major Basic Strokes of 10-3. TommyTomasello -- who I knew for the last 25 years of his life -- wasn't teachingyou Right Arm Swing. He was teaching you the Punch Basic Stroke!
However, in the off chance you really are swinging the Right Arm, let mecaution you against attempting a Four Barrel Stroke. With the #1 Accumulator(the Driving Right Arm) now replaced by the Swinging (notDriving) Right Arm, it is impossible. You simply cannot Swing and Hitwith the same Arm at the same time. End of Story.
Delaware Golf wrote:
Yoda,
Tom also referenced Ben Hogan's comment from the 5 five fundamentals where Hogan wished he had three right hands. Wouldn't you say the Hogan swing model from the 5 fundamentals is a 10-4-D Four Barrel swinging procedure.
Delaware Golf
There are several items in your interesting post that I would like to address.However, time for now is limited, and I will choose just one:
Please tell me that you do not believe that Swingers -- a group thatincluded Ben Hogan -- create their power with the Right Hand. [Note: There is avast difference between transmitting Power -- with the Feel Systemsimultaneously sensing that transmission -- versus actually originating it!]However, if you do believe this, please provide me the specific Golfing Machinereference that buttresses your opinion. Thanks.
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